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Hope y&#8217;all enjoy it. </p>\n\n\n\n<p>Have a lovely weekend! </p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yours, 💕<br /><em>Birgit</em></p>\n\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow"><div class="wp-block-group__inner-container">\n<p><strong>Table of Contents</strong></p>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-sortabrilliant-guidepost"><ul><li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#0-word-press-release-information">Developing Gutenberg and WordPress</a></li><li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#0-p">Plugins, Themes, and Tools for #nocode site builders and owners</a></li><li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#2-word-press-6-0-1-and-6-1-scheduled">Theme Development for Full Site Editing and Blocks</a></li><li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#3-building-themes-for-fse-and-word-press">Building Blocks and Tools for the Block editor. </a></li></ul></div>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n\n\n<div class="ngl-articles colored ngl-articles-30_70 ngl-articles-frontend">\n\n	\n	<div class="ngl-articles-wrap ngl-articles-webview">\n	\n						\n			<div class="ngl-article-mobile">\n				<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">\n					<tr>\n						<td valign="top">\n							<div class="ngl-article-mob-wrap">\n							<div class="ngl-article-featured"><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordcamp-europe-2023-block-editor-talks-meet-greet-contributor-day-and-more/" target="_self" rel=""><img src="https://i0.wp.com/gutenbergtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Guiseppe-Milo-Athens-Greece-web.jpg?w=652&ssl=1" /></a></div><div class="ngl-article-title"><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordcamp-europe-2023-block-editor-talks-meet-greet-contributor-day-and-more/" target="_self" rel=""><span>WordCamp Europe 2023 &#8211; Block editor talks, meet &#038; greet, Contributor Day and more</span></a></div><div class="ngl-article-excerpt">WordCamp Europe is less than four weeks away, the speakers and sessions have been announced, and the schedule is now available. 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My name is Nathan Wrigley.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jukebox is a podcast which is dedicated to all things WordPress. The people, the events, the plugins, the blocks, the themes, and in this case how the Fediverse can be integrated with your WordPress website.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you&#8217;d like to subscribe to the podcast, you can do that by searching for WP Tavern in your podcast, player of choice. Or by going to WPTavern.com forward slash feed forward slash podcast. And you can copy that URL into most podcast players.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you have a topic that you&#8217;d like us to feature on the show, I&#8217;m very keen to hear from you and hopefully get you all your idea featured soon.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Head over to WPTavern.com forward slash contact forward slash jute box and use the form there.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>So on the podcast today we have Alex Standiford. He&#8217;s a web developer originally from Dover, Ohio, and has been tinkering with web technologies for years, but started his career as a web developer in 2015. He&#8217;s a digital nomad, living in a camper with his family for the last three years.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Alex has built WordPress plugins, websites and web applications, and is an active contributor to the WordPress community, making updates to documentation errors and participating in the organization of WordCamps.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you&#8217;re a user of social media, it&#8217;s likely that at some point you&#8217;ve signed up for platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and possibly one of the many other options out there. These platforms enable you to post content and have it seen by people all over the world. In effect, this is what your WordPress website does. But we all know that social media has managed to replace the traditional blog for many people. The notion of writing a blog post can seem like a lengthy enterprise. 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How are you doing, Alex?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:04:33] Alex Standiford: I&#8217;m great, Nathan, thanks.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:04:35] Nathan Wrigley: This is going to be a conversation which is really up my street. It may be a new project for you if you are listening to this, but it may be something that you are familiar with but haven&#8217;t really dug into.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Over the last six months or so, I&#8217;m going to say, there&#8217;s been a real interest in Mastodon as an alternative social network to Twitter. For a variety of reasons people have brought into question in their own minds whether or not they want to migrate to a different platform. And Mastodon, as we&#8217;re going to find out, is one such platform.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Alex has been doing an awful lot of thinking about how this may work, and combining all of that work with WordPress. But before we get stuck into the weeds of that, Alex, I wonder if you wouldn&#8217;t mind giving us a few moments just to orientate people. 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And said, yeah, this is a problem, we&#8217;ve got to block it. So everybody just blocked it at once and it just completely shut that server down. And it&#8217;s like a fire, you know what I mean? You smother it and it just dies and it goes away.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:23:12] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. I guess it&#8217;s important to emphasize there that each server is run by an administrator, several administrators, it depends. So it&#8217;s on the server level that that blocking takes place. It&#8217;s not like this cabal of people got together and said, Mastodon, ActivityPub will block this server. No, they&#8217;re blocking it on their own server, the one that they&#8217;re in charge of.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:23:36] Alex Standiford: Right. So if you liked that content for whatever reason, you can be on a server that doesn&#8217;t block it. But the thing I really want to talk about today is the idea of taking this a little bit further and owning your content again, right? 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And it is completely contrary to WordPress. It doesn&#8217;t want WordPress to exist. It only allows it to exist because it has to and it can&#8217;t get rid of it. Whereas open source things, they want it. They invite it. They welcome this as a part of the whole.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Even from an identity perspective, that&#8217;s where it hit me. It hit me all the way down to like my very identity on social media. And I was like, I can&#8217;t be on Twitter now that I know this exists. I literally can&#8217;t be. It&#8217;s not even a matter of what&#8217;s better or not. I just can&#8217;t do it.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:31:22] Nathan Wrigley: If we were to try and implement some of the bits and pieces that you&#8217;ve just described, this kind of bidirectional relationship with the Fediverse, Mastodon or Pixelfed or whatever it be. 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Just by going to your address which is basically your username at your account, your website.com, right? But they can access it and they can see the content and they can follow it, they can comment on it, they can boost it, they can do all the things that you can normally do with it on the Fediverse. And you can interact with the comments and how people respond to it. But you personally can&#8217;t follow other people and view their content using your website right now. That to me is kind of the killer limitation that has stopped me from doing that today.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>[00:33:34] Nathan Wrigley: It&#8217;s around the content creation process, not the exploration of what other people are producing. 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Think about it &#8211; contact forms, email automation, e-commerce &#8211; there are opportunities for spam everywhere.<br /><br />In ConvertKit’s case, the “cost of doing nothing” was far too high. The effects of spam, especially if not properly addressed, would trickle down to nearly every part of their business.</p>\n</div></div>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-style-large is-style-full-width-quote version-2">\n<p>If we allow form submissions just wide open, what will happen is eventually a bunch of fake subscribers or email addresses will end up in customers accounts. And that has pretty significant downstream effects.”</p>\n<cite><strong>John Lunsford</strong>, Senior Engineer at ConvertKit</cite></blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-group alignfull has-white-background-color has-background is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained"><div class="wp-block-group__inner-container">\n<div class="wp-block-group is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained"><div class="wp-block-group__inner-container">\n<div class="wp-block-spacer"></div>\n\n\n\n<table><tbody><tr><td><strong>Billing</strong></td><td>“It affects our customers &#8211; our billing model is based on the size of the account. And we don’t want to bill them for garbage. We only want to bill them for real subscribers, so it’s a significant factor.”</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Creator&#8217;s Email Reputation</strong></td><td>“Another downstream effect is they’re sending to these email lists. And if the list isn’t great (includes fake/spam subscribers) then their send reputation goes down. And the deliverability reputation is huge. It has huge ramifications for the business”</td></tr><tr><td><strong>ConvertKit&#8217;s Reputation</strong></td><td>&#8220;If our customer&#8217;s send reputation goes down (because of spam), ConverKit&#8217;s reputation goes down as well. So there are some pretty significant effects that would happen if we didn&#8217;t do anything.&#8221;</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Little Fires Everywhere</strong></td><td>&#8220;We were sort of putting out fires. All of a sudden some IP addresses of ours were not delivering well and customers noticed. They see their emails landing in spam, which is horrible for them. That&#8217;s when we&#8217;d catch it &#8211; after the damage had been done. And there was a period of time when that was happening more than we liked. So that&#8217;s when we started implementing Akismet.&#8221;</td></tr></tbody></table>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-group is-style-aks-enterprise-plan version-2-2 has-background is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow"><div class="wp-block-group__inner-container">\n<div class="wp-block-columns alignwide is-style-aks-enterprise-plan_image_container is-layout-flex wp-container-12 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex">\n<div class="wp-block-column is-style-aks-enterprise-plan_image_container_left_content is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow">\n<p class="large-text-3">Curious about pricing?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class="is-style-aks-enterprise-plan_image_container_left_content_short_desc">Whether you need spam protection for large networks, multisite installations, or something more custom, our team of experts is happy to help. We&#8217;ll learn more about your needs and come up with a no-pressure recommendation.</p>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-buttons is-horizontal is-content-justification-left is-layout-flex wp-container-10 wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex">\n<div class="wp-block-button talk-to-our-team"><a class="wp-block-button__link wp-element-button" href="https://akismet.com/talk-to-sales/">Contact our enterprise team</a></div>\n</div>\n</div>\n</div>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-spacer"></div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class="wp-block-heading">The Solution</h3>\n\n\n\n<p>*Spoiler &#8211; it’s Akismet<br />Akismet has been blocking spam since spam was in diapers. That was 2005, to be clear. In that time, Akismet has blocked over 500 billion pieces of spam at a staggering 99.99% accuracy rate. How? Akismet gets smarter with each site that’s protected, and its advanced AI has learned from over 100 million sites.<br /><br />It was also built by Automattic, the team behind WordPress, WooCommerce, Tumblr, and many other tools that <strong><span>make the web a better place.</span></strong><br /><br />But accuracy and reliability weren’t the only factors for ConvertKit when looking for a solution. Considering the audience they serve, preserving conversion rates on forms was of utmost importance as well.<br /><br /><strong>Nobody Likes A Captcha<br /></strong>Adding Captchas to their customers’ forms would mean adding friction, and thus lower conversion rates. And that’s not what ConvertKit stands for. They want their creators to have access to forms with the highest conversion rates, while also being free from spam. Compromising one for the other just wasn’t an option.</p>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-16 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex">\n<div class="wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow">\n<img src="https://akismet455732288.files.wordpress.com/2023/02/30398-3d.png?w=852&h=1024" alt="" class="wp-image-3017" width="385" height="462" />\n</div>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow">\n<p>“To click or not to click?”</p>\n\n\n\n<img src="https://akismet455732288.files.wordpress.com/2023/02/c7a89-mask-group.png" alt="" class="wp-image-3018" />\n</div>\n</div>\n\n\n\n<p>Romane Dagain, Senior Product Manager, explains, &#8220;What we&#8217;re trying to do is really to have this solution that takes care of all of that. So when you think about it, the creators value conversion here.&#8221;</p>\n\n\n\n<p>ConvertKit needed a solution that blocked spam without blocking conversions for their customers. Something that intelligently worked behind the scenes and wouldn’t add friction or make for a frustrating user experience.</p>\n</div></div>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-style-large is-style-full-width-quote version-2">\n<p>”Um…using a Captcha is not ideal. And I think everyone here agrees with that.”</p>\n<cite><strong>Romane Dagain, Senior Product Manager</strong></cite></blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-group alignfull has-white-background-color has-background is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained"><div class="wp-block-group__inner-container">\n<div class="wp-block-group is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained"><div class="wp-block-group__inner-container">\n<div class="wp-block-spacer"></div>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>One Solution For All</strong><br />Because ConvertKit&#8217;s audience is very diverse, they needed a solution that worked for everyone &#8211; not just their highest-paying customers. Romane explains, &#8220;We&#8217;ve got a very wide, wide range of people. We&#8217;ve got people who will be very tech-savvy. You&#8217;ve got people who are just starting. You&#8217;ve got people who have a very small email list, and you have really big stars. So we need to have something that is easy to use for all of them and is safe to do so. And I think for us, adaptability and reputation are very much like a competitive asset.&#8221;</p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class="wp-block-heading">The Results</h3>\n\n\n\n<p>“We don’t worry about spam anymore.”<br />ConvertKit went from &#8220;putting out fires&#8221; left by frequent spam attacks to the peace of mind of a solution that keeps them one step ahead of the spammers. And it was all possible using Akismet&#8217;s advanced AI to intelligently find and filter out spam.</p>\n</div></div>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class="wp-block-quote is-style-large is-style-full-width-quote version-2">\n<p>”With Akismet, we don’t really have to think about spam prevention, which allows us to work on other things. It allows us to work on delivering better features for our customers that they care about – and that are visible to them. And we’re able to do that because of what Akismet is doing behind the scenes.”</p>\n<cite><strong>John Lunsford,</strong> Senior Engineer at ConvertKit</cite></blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-group alignfull has-white-background-color has-background is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained"><div class="wp-block-group__inner-container">\n<div class="wp-block-group is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained"><div class="wp-block-group__inner-container">\n<div class="wp-block-spacer"></div>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Automation</strong><br />The average Akismet customer saves 20 hours per month in time they used to spend manually sifting through user-submitted text. Set it and forget it, as they say.<br /><br />Jon says, “We moved from a place of putting out fires to now things are automated. We&#8217;re tracking stuff, we&#8217;re alerting on stuff. So now we know across our whole surface area if we have bot attacks. &#8220;<br /></p>\n\n\n\n<img src="https://akismet455732288.files.wordpress.com/2023/02/65d6e-frame-2596.png?w=1024&h=519" alt="" class="wp-image-2959" />\n\n\n\n<p> </p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>The ConvertKit Package</strong><br />By far the biggest benefit Akismet has brought to ConvertKit is embedded into their product offering. They want to provide a platform where anyone can easily make a living online, and adding Akismet has allowed them to provide just that.<br /><br />Romane explains, &#8220;We&#8217;ve gotten to a place now where we&#8217;re really proud of where we stand and we&#8217;re trying to maintain that. So I think Akismet is now part of essentially just &#8216;The Convert Kit package&#8217;, it just comes with the idea that it&#8217;s safe to use. Our customers know we look after you, we take care of this stuff. You don&#8217;t even have to think about it. All you have to think about is write your content, send your emails, we&#8217;ll get it delivered and we&#8217;ll make sure it gets delivered to the right people.&#8221;<br /><br /><strong>“We Just Do This For You”</strong><br />If only every company looked after its customer base the way that ConvertKit does, there&#8217;d be a lot more happy customers. They needed to protect their customers from spam, but in a way that didn&#8217;t disrupt what their customers are trying to build for themselves. And by adding Akismet, ConvertKit now has a product offering that allows creators to build, engage, and make a living online &#8211; without ever seeing any downstream effects from spam. ConvertKit is protected by Akismet, and so are their customers.<br /><br />Jon puts it best, “From ConvertKit’s perspective, we&#8217;re able to confidently tell our customers by default, like, ‘we just do this for you’. There&#8217;s no additional cost. There&#8217;s nothing that you need to do. Just by default, there’s spam prevention going on in your forms.”<br /></p>\n</div></div>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-group alignfull is-style-aks-enterprise-plan version-2-2 has-background is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow"><div class="wp-block-group__inner-container">\n<div class="wp-block-columns alignwide is-style-aks-enterprise-plan_image_container is-layout-flex wp-container-25 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex">\n<div class="wp-block-column is-style-aks-enterprise-plan_image_container_left_content is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow">\n<p class="large-text-3">Curious about pricing?</p>\n\n\n\n<p class="is-style-aks-enterprise-plan_image_container_left_content_short_desc">Whether you need spam protection for large networks, multisite installations, or something more custom, our team of experts is happy to help. We&#8217;ll learn more about your needs and come up with a no-pressure recommendation.</p>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-buttons is-horizontal is-content-justification-left is-layout-flex wp-container-23 wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex">\n<div class="wp-block-button talk-to-our-team"><a class="wp-block-button__link wp-element-button" href="https://akismet.com/talk-to-sales/">Contact our enterprise team</a></div>\n</div>\n</div>\n</div>\n</div></div>";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:7:"pubDate";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:31:"Mon, 15 May 2023 23:15:03 +0000";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}}s:32:"http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/";a:1:{s:7:"creator";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:11:"Drew Breaux";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}}}}i:46;a:6:{s:4:"data";s:13:"\n	\n	\n	\n	\n	\n	\n";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";s:5:"child";a:2:{s:0:"";a:5:{s:5:"title";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:104:"Gutenberg Times: WordCamp Europe 2023 – Block editor talks, meet &amp; greet, Contributor Day and more";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"guid";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:35:"https://gutenbergtimes.com/?p=24102";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:4:"link";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:103:"https://gutenbergtimes.com/wordcamp-europe-2023-block-editor-talks-meet-greet-contributor-day-and-more/";s:7:"attribs";a:0:{}s:8:"xml_base";s:0:"";s:17:"xml_base_explicit";b:0;s:8:"xml_lang";s:0:"";}}s:11:"description";a:1:{i:0;a:5:{s:4:"data";s:9143:"<div class="wp-block-image">\n<img /></div>\n\n\n<p>WordCamp Europe is less than four weeks away, the speakers and sessions have been announced, and it&#8217;s time to make plans. Below you&#8217;ll find a list of the sessions and workshops that focus around the Block Editor, Block themes, and adoption. Not all sessions and speakers were announced, I&#8217;ll update the post if necessary. </p>\n\n\n\n<hr class="wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide" />\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Updated May 20th, 2023</strong>: Added the WPConnect sessions.  <a href="https://europe.wordcamp.org/2023/wp-connect/">The full list of sessions is available here</a>, I also added a Table of contents, rearranged things a bit and added subheaders. </p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Updated May 19th, 2023:</strong> Michael Burridge&#8217;s workshop is now officially announced. <a href="https://europe.wordcamp.org/2023/schedule/">The schedule is published</a>. Now we&#8217;ll know when those great talks will take place in-person or on the Livestream. Ponder this for a moment, too: 60 speakers were announced. Ratio: 68.3% male, 31.7% female, 11.6% non-white. The diversity is not quite balanced. Representation matters. </p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Updated May 18th, 2023:</strong> I  added the talks with Jonathan Bossenger, Luigi Teschio and Pedro Crespo </p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Updated on May 15, 2023:</strong>  I added the From Shortcode to Block workshop and Niels Lange to the WooCommerce Talk</p>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-group has-light-background-background-color has-background is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained"><div class="wp-block-group__inner-container">\n<p><strong>Table of. Contents</strong></p>\n\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-sortabrilliant-guidepost"><ul><li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#0-lets-connect">Let&#8217;s connect</a></li><li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#1-contributer-day">Contributor Day</a></li><li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#list-of-gutenberg-talks-and-workshops-at-wordcamp-europe">List of Gutenberg Talks and Workshops at WordCamp Europe</a><ul><li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#site-editor-and-block-themes">Site editor and block themes</a></li><li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#building-blocks">Building blocks</a></li><li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#workshops">Workshops</a></li></ul></li><li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#6-p">Pre-WordCamp event</a></li><li><a href="https://gutenbergtimes.com/feed/#wpconnect">WPConnect</a></li></ul></div>\n</div></div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="0-lets-connect">Let&#8217;s connect</h2>\n\n\n<div class="wp-block-image">\n<img /></div>\n\n\n<p>If you want to <strong>meet with me</strong> at WordCamp Europe, <a href="https://calendly.com/pauli-haack/wordcamp-europe?month=2023-06">feel free to pick a time slot from my public calendar.</a> I would love to meet you and discuss WordPress, products and strategies around Gutenberg. 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And I&#8217;ve got a long time friend here Bet Hannon. And I&#8217;m gonna let her share a little bit more about what you, uh, do in our world called WordPress bet. But I&#8217;m excited about this interview because bet&#8217;s very active in the WordPress community overall, very passionate about this key subject called accessibility and runs a great agency. So bet. Would you share a little bit about who you are, what your, what your agency does today?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bet Hannon (00:02:06) &#8211; Yep. So our agency is Accessi Cart, and we&#8217;re focused around accessibility, as you mentioned, and in particular, um, trying to do a little nicheing toward, um, e-commerce. Uh, e e-commerce, uh, sites tend to be the most, um, frequently sued around a d a in the United States, and then there are increasing regulations in other places in the world too. So we&#8217;re, um, we&#8217;re trying to do that. It&#8217;s, uh, focus on more high interaction sites, so not necessarily just e-commerce, but membership or, uh, so, you know, um, l m s sites, those kinds of things. Anything that has a checkout form. So that&#8217;s what we work on.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Cory Miller (00:02:45) &#8211; Absolutely. Key one is, um, as we talked here before on the podcast, one is like accessibility is doing the right thing, um, by all people. Uh, but also I think there&#8217;s a, we don&#8217;t need anything past that, but if we did, we&#8217;d say there&#8217;s a huge part of the population that can&#8217;t access websites like a lot of us. And being able to do those things on your website, potentially, if you just need a business reason for a second, it&#8217;s like, that&#8217;s a whole big crowd there.</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bet Hannon (00:03:14) &#8211; 25%, 2020 to 25% of all adults around the world need some accommodation. So that includes everybody. I mean, when you, when, when I think when people think about that, they&#8217;re surprised by that number because they don&#8217;t think it, they think it&#8217;s, uh, this very tiny little percentage, right? So, um, but it includes, uh, people who are, uh, blind or have vision impairments, people who have mobility impairments, and not just that they&#8217;re paralyzed, but that maybe they have a palsy and they can&#8217;t quite hit your tiny buttons, um, to things like people who are colorblind, people who have reading disabilities. So when you start e even we work on some things around, um, um, being sure you&#8217;re, um, around anxiety and depression as a kind of a fact, a user, uh, scenario. Because if you&#8217;re sign up or checkout processes super long and complicated, people just give up, right?</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bet Hannon (00:04:09) &#8211; So when you start optimizing and making things accessible, you can increase your audience by, you know, potentially 25%, which is huge. 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Um, and I don&#8217;t know, a business leader or owner, if you said you can increase your market share, there&#8217;s 25% sitting out there, wouldn&#8217;t get, wouldn&#8217;t drool wouldn&#8217;t go, whoa, tell me more. And it&#8217;s sitting right here in plain sight,</p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bet Hannon (00:05:14) &#8211; 485 billion in, uh, in million in, um, I&#8217;m sorry, 485 million in, uh, disposable income. Mm-hmm. Right? That you&#8217;re just leaving on the table, right? Yeah. So, I mean, it&#8217;s, that sounds kind of, uh, you know, like you, they&#8217;re, they&#8217;re out there to be sort of, uh,&nbsp; to, but, you know, when you serve, uh, this is the great part about what we get to do as an agency, right? We get to help make online shopping l m s membership sites better for people with disabilities, but then we also get to make that, you know, he help business owners, uh, reach out to those communities more effectively. 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Um, we have, um, three of us full-time, a couple part-time, and then, you know, contractors around the edges for specializations as needed, um, or pulling folks in when we need some extra help. Um, so, um, I really like having us not be super hu I mean, lots of peace that you get to choose as the agency owner, right? You know, uh, you know, there are people that just really wanna grow and scale it and have it be 30 or 40 or 80 people or more, but that&#8217;s not me. Uh, I prefer to work in a smaller group. And so that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re doing. That&#8217;s a piece of why we ended up, um, kind of nicheing around accessibility and e-commerce or, or sites, is that in terms of accessibility work, um, you know, a lot of the contracts, uh, over the last 10 years have gone to, um, higher education or government. And those two folks really want bigger, bigger agencies with a deeper bench to do the fulfillment pieces. And so we don&#8217;t get to be a player for those kind of audiences. 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